August 5 Community EMP Preparedness Meeting

 

You can listen to the audio of this meeting here.

Meeting notes:

Benjamin franklin said failing to prepare is preparing to fail and that is what we are doing tonight.

No one in the country is doing what we are doing tonight. Having listened to a lot of preparedness information the most they ever mentioned was store food and know your neighbors because you will need each other. I have never heard of a group of people getting together to talk about how to feed entire towns apart from Joseph in the Old testament who saw hard times ahead and he prepared and not only did he save Egypt but the surrounding countries as well. We just don’t’ have that kind of numbers to even help wayne county. Not everyone wants to think about this. To most people this is new and outside of their realm of possibility and some of us we have been thinking about this for years.

Before we get into where we left off at the last meeting I’ll first talk about basic emp protection in case some people need to leave.

Emp shielding

·         Faraday cages for small electronics, metal trash can, staticloth or conductive fabric

·         Vehicle surge protectors

·         Building protection

o   Biggest closest to transformers, smaller on satellite buildings, followed by surge strips for for computers

o   MOV or silicon oxide because these react in less than 5 nanoseconds at least 40ka surge

o   Siemens sf140, square d sdsa1175, at least

o   For even more protection add clamp on ferrites to your main power leads. They absorb electric charge and slow down spikes.

o   Generator grounds

 

Where we left off last meeting

·         Personally with our farm we are planning to feed 1-2000 people with milk

·         People can live indefinitely on milk

·         We plan to bring a trailer with around 20 spigots. People will need to bring their own container to fill up. This milk will only be good for a couple hours.

·         Set up relief center and food drop sites at Kidron Mennonite/ central school, and Dalton Schools, with a small stop at shady lawn. Standard rule for sqft per person at a long term emergency shelter is 40sqft per person. That means with Dalton, central, Kidron Mennonite we could theoretically house 5000 people. While all of Dalton and Kidron would be 3000 people. We would like them to stay home if possible and we could help them with rain collecting but we think most people are going to be staying at these locations and maybe they can bring their own mattress.

·         Dealing with sewage last time the best we had was dig a trench like in revolutionary war

o   I recently learned the Dalton sewage plant has backup power.

o   Things may be better than what we planned but we are planning for the worst and if it is better then okay.

o   Fuel is finite. We have to assume that we won’t be getting more for years.

o   We have come up with a low power idea of using our back hoe to dig a hole and have someone build a platform and outhouse over it. Rough calculations a 5x5x6 deep hole would last 1000 people a month. We could dig that in less than 10 minutes. What we need to think about is where would we put it so it won’t get into ground water.

o   5 gallon buckets or home trash cans could be used to transport waste to the hole like if it is at night you don’t want to be going out.

o   What about toilet paper. People will have to use washcloths or extra t shirts instead and wash them in the creek. So recommendations like this and ones coming up later I am assuming the least cost possible. If someone wants to put up thousands of dollars for toilet paper to last several thousand for a couple years they can but I am planning for this to not happen. You are looking at 36 500 sheet rolls per day 13000 for a year for 3000 people. That is like 15 pallets worth and those are my figures other peoples are higher.

·         Water, Dalton has backup power for water but we can haul water for temporary

o   Typical survival water is 1gal per person per day 2000 a day 60000 per month. Less than that with milk.

o   Back up diesel generation. 2 400gpm pumps run 2 minutes enough for drinking. 4 minutes for flushing. if it is yellow let mellow, brown flush it down

§  If there natural gas close by you can feed natural gas into the intake using only 10% diesel to make it last longer.

o   Again we are planning long term with no power so

o   At location rain water collection. Including Dalton, Central and Kidron Mennonite we have 214000 sqft of roof. A 1in rain would make 133000 gallons. Although not all those rooves are good for rain collection like the flat rooves but we are looking at in our area 3in of rain a month not 1. We can make a first flush valve and can make a sand charcoal filter

o   We could store the water in portable swimming pools. 1500gal per Pool need 40 pools for a month

o   Another option is use P Gram Dunn’s as a relief center. They have good rooves for rain water collection and a pond.

o   Build a windmill pump, They cost around 6000 and I have looked at plans to build them I could do it with parts lying around. Bike powered pump piston pump, use dc motors out of treadmills to make piston pump and hook directly to residential solar panels to fill overhead water for showers. Most solar installations are grid tie systems which shut down when there is no grid so these would be useless unless we repurpose them like this.

o   If we don’t get some of these measures in place we can

§  Wash clothes in town spring or creek

§  Use wash cloth instead of showering

·         People will have a hard time about this but it is really better for your skin and hair. Showering all the time removes the oils in the skin. It is these oils that when the sun hits it turns into vitamin d and most people are vitamin d deficient. It also kills staph epidermis the beneficial bacteria on your skin which is the body’s first defense against infection. When people get off the crap American diet they will not smell as bad because that is the toxic food coming out sweat glands.

·         I hope we can do better but this is the worst case scenario

·         Heating options in winter. Didn’t have much apart from using a gas stove as a heat source and electricless heaters like Mr Heater ventless heaters on the personal level.

o   Body produces 340btu/hr in 1000sqft of people that is 8500 btu and typically you need 40000

o   Use their whole wardrobe. I do it to stay warm being outside all day.

o   Mylar blankets reflect 90% of heat back but would have to be bought beforehand. They are pretty flimsy may not last long. They do make a mylar lined tarp which would last longer for $20 a piece.

o   Heat up rocks in an outdoor fire and take inside but under blankets. Amish do this on their buggies

o   No one is going to like this one but Rocket mass heaters built in basement of church or a ground level floor

§  Use 10 times less wood than a wood stove, it burns hot so no creosote. The exhaust can be horizontal for the heating mass before exhausting outside unlike a chimney that needs to be vertical

§  Downside takes a lot of rocks and masonry to do and we would need to cut a hole in the roof or out a window for the exhaust

·         Orrville Power update:

o   They are going to look into surge protection

o   Apart from the controls which are easy, one figure I found to protect the big transformer is $100,000 so I don’t know if they are going to dump that much.

o   Their natural gas source is the Chippewa line and uses natural gas powered compression stations not electric powered

o   Solar array grid tie so it will go down if there is not grid unless we modify the inverter to work without the gird

o   2 weeks of coal can burn wood

o   10% replacement transformers

o   The day I met with them they had a meeting afterward about Replacing substations transformers and having redundancies

o   They are putting a lot of money into cyber protection

o   I told him if they can’t keep the power and water running a lot of people are going to die. We’ll see.

·         Santmyer update:

o   They are willing to help us anyway they can.

o   They have over 50000 gallons of fuel plus 60000 gal of propane.

o   Down side is most is in Wooster and Canton

o  I was thinking on the first couple days take whatever trucks are available to bring tankers back to Dalton. Then take a wheel off so someone can’t show up and take it away.

·         Security

o    I talked to Dalton Police Chief and he agrees that after a week or two we would need to set up a road block at West Lebanon and Kidron rd because we have 70000 people from Wooster to Massillon with another 70000 in Canton and right now we only have the ability to feed 2000. We may need one at Wenger and 94 because you have 8000 people from Orrville who could take church road and come down to Dalton from the north. If we have extra room and extra food let them in.

o   If we get more people on board then we could spread out to maybe a Tuslaw school drop or Orrville smuckers barn drop. Everything else in orrville is too urban and dangerous to road blocks, ambushes, being overwhelmed by violent people.

o   National guard was brought up last time. I did some checking there are around 14000 national guardsmen which is around 1 per 1000 people in Ohio. There are 185 cities in ohio over 10000 people. It takes between 5 to 50 soldiers per 1000 people. They don’t have the numbers to be helping or hindering us.

o   From what I saw online Dalton as 2 full time officers and 10 part time

·            There may be possibility of deputizing more

·            We may be able to get the firemen to help out since they are strong fit men

·               I’d also like if we could I like to get a list of local veterans.

·               Any food production site or place of value will need guards which could really be anyone. This is a must because if they steal or damage critical infrastructure then we can’t feed the people. If people come looking for food or shelter send them to our relief centers.

·               We don’t have the numbers to feed Wooster, Massillon or even orrville. People are going to die from violence, starvation but most of the death will be because they drank bad water and got diarrhea. I may want a volunteer tactical team to deliver antibiotics to these dangerous locations. I don’t know how we could properly distribute it with having bad consequences like getting captured and tortured to reveal what the source is. I believe these cities will totally collapsed and be worse than downtown bagdad during the US invasion.

·               It is not a matter of antibiotic supply I have made my own antibiotics for almost 10 years. It is so simple and they are going to need them.

·               Colloidal silver, hypoclorus acid, ozone, chlorine dioxide, calcium hypochlorite, blood electrification, rife frequencies, garlic, oregano

·               For diarrhea charcoal or clay

That was from last meeting. I have a number of questions for you in your particular area of expertise to go further but is there anything you can add to these subjects.

·         What we need to know

o   We need to think about what are we going to do about criminal justice. There is no justice system outside of the community. Can you hold them in a cell while using resources? Work detail? What do we do with them.

§  Rape, sex slavery, murder

§  Looting 

·         In the west it was death penalty for stealing a horse because it was essential to life. What about a generator?

·         I don’t want this to happen but it is better thinking about alternatives now while we aren’t in a crisis.

o   Chickens for food          

§  Grain feeding capabilities

§  Meat birds are not very hardy outside

§  Modern barns are automated controls. With electricity there is no ventilation

§  There is no reproduction on site. The hatchery is in Orrville

§  Sherman Amstutz has birds outside

§  Barrel with holes of offal so that maggots fall out chickens love them, but not in winter

§  Butchering, use a fire to heat a barrel of water to get the feathers off

§  Kidron Fire department has outdoor cooking racks 2.5’x3’ can cook 18 halves at one time. They can also be used for beef

o   eggs capabilities

§  grain feeding capabilities

§  what type, will the eat grass?

§  probably won’t produce eggs without grain 16% protein

§  deliver eggs options

·         transport in egg crates

·         crack them in a tote haul to location to cook 10000 eggs is 100 gal

·         have a fire barrel with a stainless plate to scramble them.

o   You can crack them as fast as you can scramble them. Put in a half tote give a person a scoop for lunch. We will deliver milk for breakfast and dinner

o   Gerberfeed Grain

§  Said they would help us with whatever they had in the bins

o   Butchering

§  animals per day normal vs with only knives

§  hunting livestock that was let out

§  Most people think you need fruits, vegetables, and grains to be healthy. You don’t. That is the government and pharma train doctors who has led the US to be the most unhealthy country in the world. On a diet we are giving them of animal products which is a keto/ carnivore diet. Overweight people will lose 20lbs a month without being hungry, diabetes gone, heart disease gone, most diseases you can think of can be reversed with this diet. With that said though we would like some of our gardening experts to get some helping hands to produce vegetables to help out the food situation.

o    Cold storage

§  Harvest ice blocks in winter. Get insulation board from Gerber Lumber to make or put in 3D meat freezer. There are freezers by preferred air parts

§  People need a purpose or a job otherwise they will get depressed and suicidal.

o   Does the school sewage run on gravity or need a lift pump?